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1 Idle Drifter  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:26:00am

Can we at least send a Virginia Class sub into the area and start sinking their ships with SEALs and/or torpedoes?

2 Buck  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:44:16am

This is exactly why NATO took action against Libya.

I guess Syria is just too well armed. Taking action against a weak tyrant is easier than a strong one.

However the people you are responsible to protect are the same.

3 garhighway  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:47:17am

re: #2 Buck

This is exactly why NATO took action against Libya.

I guess Syria is just too well armed. Taking action against a weak tyrant is easier than a strong one.

However the people you are responsible to protect are the same.

And who, exactly, are "the people you are responsible to protect"?

4 Buck  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:53:41am

re: #3 garhighway

And who, exactly, are "the people you are responsible to protect"?

In this case it would be the Syrian people, the Libyan people.

Look up R2P. That was the reason for attacking Libya.

5 garhighway  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:55:23am

Are there any nation's people we aren't responsible to protect?

6 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:59:52am

re: #5 garhighway

Are there any nation's people we aren't responsible to protect?

Apparently saving Iraqis from their brutal regime was not supported by the left.

7 Buck  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:18:44am

re: #5 garhighway

Are there any nation's people we aren't responsible to protect?

Did you look up R2P? The answer to your question is there.

8 garhighway  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:37:44am

re: #6 NJDhockeyfan

re: #7 Buck

The problem I have with these fuzzy-minded schemes (and both R2P and GW2 fall into that category as far as I am concerned) is that they have no discernible boundaries in time or space. Should we be in Iraq forever? Should we be putting boots on the ground in the Sudan? In Zimbabwe? In Somalia? In Yemen? In Syria? I was leery of the Lybian adventure because it smelled to me like another open-ended commitment of our blood and treasure, and while I appreciate how we got the Euros to do some lifting for a change, I am not seeing any end to that adventure anytime soon.

There are an awful lot of evil motherfuckers in this world that run countries. I do not think it is our responsibility to fix that.

(Final note on Iraq: have we settled on "saving Iraqis from their brutal regime" as the justification for that mess? If so, I missed the memo. I got lost somewhere between the nonexistent Iraqi link to 9/11 and the bullshit WMD argument.)

9 Bob Dillon  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:52:22am

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U.S. State Department says it's unable to confirm published reports that Syrian navy has shelled port city of Latakia - Reuters

10 Buck  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:56:33am

You can have a problem with it. My question is if Obama used that as an excuse for bombing the shit out of Libya, why would Syria be any different.

As I said, although the tyrants are different, the people are the same.

As for you.... I wonder if you will describe Obama's war justification as "nonexistent" or bullshit.

11 garhighway  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 11:11:28am

re: #10 Buck

You can have a problem with it. My question is if Obama used that as an excuse for bombing the shit out of Libya, why would Syria be any different.

As I said, although the tyrants are different, the people are the same.

As for you... I wonder if you will describe Obama's war justification as "nonexistent" or bullshit.

I didn't like the Libyan adventure for the same reasons I identified here. At the time, on these boards, I asked the hawks if they had an exit strategy or if they had an articulable basis for trying to blow up Qaddafi but not (for example) Mugabe, since they both hit 100 on the evil motherfucker meter. The response was silence. Libya has proved not to be too bad solely because BHO managed to get the Euros to do a lot of the work, but the principle still applies: who do we depose and who do we not? I think this is too important to leave it at "we know it when we see it", and even trying to put structure around it like R2P does misses the main point that it has us reverting to a world policeman role that I think is inappropriate.

I value our blood and treasure enough that I don't want to squander them on adventures that are not vital national interests. I don't think Syria meets that test. I didn't think Libya did either. And I didn't think GW2 did. (GW1 did, and so did Afghanistan.)

Either you think they meet that test, or you are willing to relax the test and apply the touchy-feely P2R process. Either way, more power to you. I respectfully disagree.


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